Thursday, April 9, 2009

When Moslems lose, is it the will of "Allah?"

Gates of Vienna: The Advance of Islam:

If Islam were not God’s own religion, Muslims reason, and if Muhammad were not the messenger of God, they think, then these conquests would not have taken place and would not have been so successful. These conquests can be considered as akbar dalaala alla Sidq muHammad, “the best proof of the sincerity of Muhammad,” as a comment in the Qur’an at one point expresses it.

The Advance of Islam
by Baron Bodissey

Translation from the Dutch of
The Advance of Islam
“Islamic ideology is not resistant to the free word”

By the Arabist Hans Jansen

[excerpt]

There is not a single Muslim who is unaware of this [the Mohammedans'] century of conquests. The military successes of that time are generally perceived by Islamic theologians as proof of the truth of Islam and the correctness of the statements made by Muhammad about himself and his mission. This century of conquest plays a major role in Islamic apologetics. If Islam were not God’s own religion, Muslims reason, and if Muhammad were not the messenger of God, they think, then these conquests would not have taken place and would not have been so successful. These conquests can be considered as akbar dalaala alla Sidq muHammad, “the best proof of the sincerity of Muhammad,” as a comment in the Qur’an at one point expresses it.

Europeans who are not used to employing this kind of reasoning in a debate are sometimes left mute when they are for the first time confronted with this assertion. At some of the meetings that purportedly contributed to the dialogue between Christianity and Islam, this argument was used. Perhaps that is, after all, a good thing, because what is the use of having a quarrel?
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But it is a ridiculous Islamic fallacy. When Christianity was able to win the Middle East and Europe over, it was without using violence. Should the Christians then be impressed that others, namely the Muslims, have managed to conquer such an area using brute military violence? No, of course not. On the contrary.

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Profitsbeard said...
That this vital information is pointedly avoided by the treasonous cowards in the West is more dangerous than Islam's threats.

We can defeat the jihad... if we admit that it is Islam's core dogma.

Until then, the incursions, stealth invasions and legalistic underminings of the West by Mohammedans, aided by the useful idiots among us, erode our Civilzation and make the future battle more deadly.
3/29/2009 1:25 PM

Zenster Part I
Zenster said...
Europeans who are not used to employing this kind of reasoning in a debate are sometimes left mute when they are for the first time confronted with this assertion. At some of the meetings that purportedly contributed to the dialogue between Christianity and Islam, this argument was used.

How then do these Islamists explain the way that the entire MME (Muslim Middle East) has been in a perpetual state of economic and cultural stagnation for nearly a MILLENNIA, even as Europe and America have entered the space age?

Will of Allah my arse!

We should not enter into silly contests of miracles, but may establish that a religion like this needed to make use of the force of arms to achieve approximately the same thing that Christianity managed to achieve without violence. As Muslims continue to purge all competing religions from their lands, Christians had better begin to consider how Islam's conversion by the sword mandates its DEFEAT by the sword. Several centuries and even recent history have all shown the tremendous folly of negotiating with Muslims. The punishment awaiting Islam for how it has defiled humanity is long overdue.

Because of the “confession” that is part of the Christian liturgy, Christians are perhaps trained too well in the confession of guilt, and that contrasts with the views of most Muslims, who are in fact proud of the warfare of Islam against the Christians, and of the military triumphs that were achieved, at least in the early days. That Muslims are largely immune to any sense of guilt requires aggrieved parties to force Islam into making amends. There is much that Islam has to answer for even as it continues to violate human rights and commit crimes against humanity. What is it that allows thinking people to ignore this well-established pattern of past and present misanthropy?
3/29/2009 3:28 PM

Zenster said...
PART II

To this day they consider — and this is what modern people find the strangest — that the success that the early Muslims were able to obtain on the battlefield is a proof of God’s favor. Oddly enough, the defeats suffered by the Muslims are not seen by them as a proof to the contrary.

This is precisely what makes Islam so insidious. Confronted with defeats, Muslims do not retreat into self-examination or amendment of their conduct. Such setbacks are always viewed as punishment for not being Islamic enough. Thus are even the most vivid learning opportunities used, instead, to further entrench barbarous Islamic behavior. This is a core aspect of Muslim fanaticism and a strong argument as to why force of arms is the only sure method of reversing such pseudo-religious mania.

For if God is interfering with their wars, then, for example, in the conflict between Israel and the Arabs he is on the side of Israel.

Such a notion will only apply to rational minds. Muslims, however, are not at all rational. Few other cultures are capable of so thoroughly embracing cognitive dissonance as those of the Arab Muslims. Consider the following examples:

"The Holocaust never happened and this time we will complete what Hitler left unfinished!"

"The 9-11 attacks were staged as a pretense to wage war against Islam and Osama bin Laden is our hero for giving America a black eye!"

Both require the ability to simultaneously believe entirely contradictory ideas without experiencing any discomfort or internal conflict. Now, imagine just how fanatical such an unreasoning mind can be.

This is why Islam must be brought to heel through the use of of overwhelming military force. No other method can possibly oblige the Muslim mind to understand how Allah is a false deity and unworthy of worship.

Research with a scientific approach that might anger the Muslim elite is usually ignored by Western scholars. Not because the members of that elite might raise arms themselves, for they are all nice civilized people without blood on their hands.

This is no longer the case. Darfur is a pluperfect example of how Western scholars have so whitewashed Islam that they are now complicit in numerous ongoing Muslim atrocities that totally defy any pretense of their's being "The Religion of Peace". [spit]

The list is long, and nowadays can be found in many reference books, and it gives a pretty good idea of how false and mean people can be to one another, while always looking up piously and muttering that it is only about the implementation of the laws of God.

Considering that shari'a law dictates such minutae as how to wipe one's posterior and the exact amount of allowable fecal matter to have remaining on one's hands, I'd wager that this brutal legal code goes well beyond what God ever had the time to dictate.

Shari'a law serves one purpose alone and that is to control a large population so completely that, for fear of being put to death, they comply unhesitatingly with every last dictate until there is no time to rebel or even question such abject autocracy.

The wonderful Roman rule nulla poena sine lege, “no punishment without [clear] law” is obviously not the case under Islamic law.

I would venture it is exactly the opposite. Islam always maintains a veiled threat of imminent violence. It does so with very clear laws of such great number that violent retribution is guaranteed and it only awaits discovering exactly which rule any given individual has broken. This foreboding aspect tends to quell all opposition before the fact and inhibits any rebellion.

This article should be required reading in all Western political offices. PERIOD.
3/29/2009 3:38 PM

More--Read the whole Thing at . . .
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/03/advance-of-islam.html#readfurther

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